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The last week has been a truly spectacular parade of crazy. I've had just about everything, from venal landlords to unfair blacklisting by checking agencies through loopy stuff at work and unwanted guests to my computer breaking down this afternoon (now mercifully fixed, or I wouldn't be writing this...)

Anyway, just when you think life couldn't get any crazier, it does. I have known for a long time that certain sectors of the HP fandom are batshit insane non-conventionally logical, but then I clicked a link to an expose of one Msscribe and the lengths to which she apparently went to acheive Big Name Fan status. And that was half my morning gone. Read it and weep - I've never seen such detail, or such misdirected energy. And plainly the plot is about to thicken: there are still 5 chapters left to go.
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On a (hopefully) more pleasant and edifying note, here is a nice meme I picked up from [profile] melusina_hp
1. Ask me one fandom-related question in the comments. This can be fandom specific, general, or about fandom/lj stuff etc. in general.
2. Just one question, please, but it can (and perhaps should) have sub-parts.
3. That's it. It can be as normal or odd as you like.

Date: 2006-06-17 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zoepaleologa.livejournal.com
That msscribe stuff is just whackcrackery, innit? But riveting read: Vanity Fair for the Potter fandom.

Well, there's nowt queer as fowk.

Date: 2006-06-17 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wemyss.livejournal.com
As Granny Longbottom is wont to observe.

Question for Our Own Ett:
Wherefore artichokes? Discuss. Digress. Ramble.

Date: 2006-06-17 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lazy-neutrino.livejournal.com
I'm reading the msscribe chronicles as well. And the kids at school wonder why I don't bother with reality TV!

Date: 2006-06-17 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melusinahp.livejournal.com
Who do you think will live and who do you think will die? Do you think Harry is a Horcrux?

Date: 2006-06-17 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dbassassin.livejournal.com
In regards to fanfic writing, is there a character you feel you don't write well, but wish you did (because they're a fave in books, for example)?

Date: 2006-06-17 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krisomniac.livejournal.com
Ummm... that thing about being a big name fan? (I didn't actually get past the first page, but HUH? In a nutshell, that's what I can't stand about fandom, why I like to keep my stories amongst friends, and it makes me afraid, very afraid.)

Okay, question. What is it that makes you enjoy the character of Hagrid so much? Is it his staunch friendship to Harry? His funny social blunders? His big...heart? Curious minds want to know.

Date: 2006-06-17 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
Yep. It's like watching a friend or colleague embarrass themselves while drunk - you want to look away but you can't...

Re: Well, there's nowt queer as fowk.

Date: 2006-06-17 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
It's all your fault!

Or at least part of it is your fault.

To keep things short, I assume you know that the Artichoke gag comes from my story "House of Flying Artichokes", about a pureblood dinner from Hell. A very long time ago, I posted a request on Fiction Alley for help with social blunders in Pureblood circles, and someone (who I'm pretty sure was you but I can't now find the thread) suggested several inspired ideas, including the problems of how to eat an artichoke correctly.

At this point I'd never knowingly eaten a natural artichoke (I had to start another thread about the correct way to eat one). I had, however, eaten a lot of the preserved version - which tended to be like hedgehogs, with little snouts. That was what gave me the idea of having them alive - and aggressive.

Originally the plan was for Hermione to feel she had to kill the thing, and feel terrible about it. But I couldn't bring myself to do it, so the Artichoke (and I) had a reprieve - Hermione rescued it and it was last seen splashing about happily in a little bowl of olive oil.

The title of my journal is because of the story - people kept making funny comments about "rescue artichokes". The layout I have now really needs a title, and artichokes were the first thing I could think of.

I like artichokes (the preserved variety, anyway). But not that much. I just thought they would make a good story.

On the subject of Pendle, I've been there. It's a very odd-looking hill indeed. You can well believe in strange things happening there.

Date: 2006-06-17 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
I doubt if even Big Brother could beat this show for its cast of obviously disturbed characters embarrassing themselves in public!

Date: 2006-06-17 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
Wow... Good question!

Honestly, I haven't a clue. This just made up on the fly (apart from the first one).

Snape, much as I like him, was toast from the minute he took out Dumbledore. I suspect we'll see other adult deaths as well - the Dursleys, for example, could find themselves in a very uncomfortable situation once Harry's magical protection is withdrawn from their household. I think it likely that another Hogwarts staff member will go - possibly Flitwick or McGonagall, though I would prefer it to be some minor character we aren't too emotionally involved in. I also have a bad feeling about Firenze, and (much as I love him) Grawp. There might be a Weasley death. And most - if not all - of the Death Eaters are going to cop it.

Harry, Hermione and Ron will survive I think - based purely on the fact that it's originally a children's series where (among other things) courage is praised and rewarded. The message otherwise would be too... unchildish.

I don't think Harry is a horcrux. But I think his scar might be. We may see the end of Voldemort being bought at the cost of some or all of Harry's magical skill.

I think Draco will live, a humbler and more quiet person if not necessarily a much nicer one. Lupin is a creaking gate - permanent ill health but unlikely to die. And somehow I feel that Tonks will make it through as well. Mrs Figg will miraculously survive the holocaust, with all her cats - she will complain interminably about the disruption of her pets' lives in the years to come. Dolores Umbridge will survive too, but chastened, and she will never lose her fear of centaurs.

Date: 2006-06-17 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
I wish I had more of a handle on McGonagall. I think she's a fantastic character - very starchy and sarcastic but also tough as old boots, with a nice, wry sense of humour. But I wouldn't begin to know how to round her out as a character.

I have yet to really tackle Ron - he's potentially a very interesting character, and I have a real soft spot for him, warts and all, but he's not crying out to me to write him at the moment.

Until recently I would have said the same about Harry. That's why I determined to have him in my next fanfic. As it is, when I do finish "Rubeus Hagrid and the Eagle of the Ninth" it will have a very unbalanced picture of poor Harry - not the way I think he is most of the time but I'm sure he makes a terrible invalid.

Date: 2006-06-17 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
I know what you mean about fandom being a scary place. Better to be a very small writer, and enjoy the writing for its own sake (not that anyone was offering me a chance at BNFdom last time I looked...)

Hagrid. Well, like Grawp, I started thinking about him because the fandom's reaction is generally along the lines of ewwwwwwwwwwww, because he isn't young and sexy. This strikes me as very unfair: he was a fantastic friend to Harry, and he probably has the purest motives of anyone - as far as I can remember he has never done a spiteful or unkind thing in all six books. He is unfailingly kind to everyone and everything - look at the way he treats his creatures, and tell me that's not the mark of a nice person. He gives little damp hyperactive kids his coat to wear on cold, wet nights.

I might not want him as a roommate, a boyfriend or as a strategic planner. But that's not what he's for.

Date: 2006-06-18 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aerama.livejournal.com
Geez, I had to click & weep too, and now I'm going on to Part Two, and I don't even know why I care! Though I find I am profoundly grateful at having not been a part of any o'that.

Unfair blacklisting!? You certainly have had a loopy week. I hope you can relax this weekend.

You can be a Big Name Writer versus a Big Name Fan; I'd support that!

I have a sort-of meme question: What do you think of ff.net so far?

Date: 2006-06-18 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
Unfair blacklisting!? You certainly have had a loopy week. I hope you can relax this weekend.

Without wishing to seem self-indulgent, it has been unbelievable. I'm exhausted.

And the blacklisting? It was all because my landlord's representative didn't want to chase up the checking company with the actual facts of the case (complicated, but really not THAT complicated). I knew I hadn't done anything wrong, but it's hard not to take such things as a personal slight on one's honour.

You can be a Big Name Writer versus a Big Name Fan; I'd support that!

Heh. Thank you very much for the kind thought, but I'm never going to be a Big Name Anything in HP. I have committed 2 unforgivable sins - I don't write romance and I like Grawp. Oh, and I don't have the time to invest in roping in fanpoodles and keeping them in line...

What do you think of ff.net so far?

My expecations weren't high - with hindsight, I think they might have been unfairly low. You can blame [livejournal.com profile] deleterius for that, I think...

So - I've had a handful of nice reviews, a handful of fairly kind one-line reviews and one suggesting that I "write more humour" into "House of Flying Artichokes" (I think she meant slapstick).

I do have one thing to thank ffnet for, though - a nice lady calling herself Whitehound from there has put "The Hall of Heroes" up for a Multifaceted Award. So I might be getting a bit more exposure as a result... which would be cool... but we'll see.

Date: 2006-06-18 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I have committed 2 unforgivable sins - I don't write romance and I like Grawp.
Hurrah! I have committed only one unforgivable sins. And that's an interesting fandom story.

I have two questions:

1) May I borrow the Alumni magazine, and do you agree that the September issue would could contain a photograph of the new Head Girl and Head Boy?

2) My Eyes Are Dim, I Cannot See. I like it a lot, and am curious, what was the germ of the idea? Did you set out to annoy the Wolfstar Militant Wing, or to explore Petunia?

Date: 2006-06-18 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolabellae.livejournal.com
Hmmm. Could/would you ever consider writing from the point of view (not necessarily 1st person) of a character whom you disliked or would find it impossible to defend morally?

Date: 2006-06-18 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catkind.livejournal.com
Sympathy on all counts. Put it this way, after a week like that, the only way is up?

Misdirected energy on the part of the exposee or exposers? An interesting potted history of the HP fandom anyway.

Question: If you wanted to sell the fanfic concept to an uninitiated friend, what fic would you show them? Would it be one of yours? And have you ever done this?

Date: 2006-06-18 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
1) May I borrow the Alumni magazine, and do you agree that the September issue would could contain a photograph of the new Head Girl and Head Boy?

Please do! I would be delighted - and honoured! Just make sure I know when you've finished!

2) My Eyes Are Dim, I Cannot See. I like it a lot, and am curious, what was the germ of the idea? Did you set out to annoy the Wolfstar Militant Wing, or to explore Petunia?

Oh, to piss off Wolfstar, no question. I visited the SCUSA thread for Wolfstar and was horrified. As part of my recovery from the trauma, I set out quite deliberately to show that RL/SB not only is not canon but potentially ruins lives! (bear in mind that this was pre-HBP, when they were convinced that they were canon in a very annoying way).

And then I had to explore Petunia in order to be able to hook up Remus with her convincingly. Though it was a good exercise - Petunia is an interesting character...

And just for the record, there's nothing wrong with shipping Wolfstar, whatever I personally think about it. But there is with assuming that harmless manifestations of friendship must mean shipping - quite appart from anything else it devalues real friendship, which to me is a very bad thing.

Date: 2006-06-18 04:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] snorkackcatcher
Wow. Hell of a week. :(

Okay, a question I've asked elsewhere on this meme: if you'd been JKR's editor, which elements of the books would you have suggested be dropped/rewritten?

Date: 2006-06-18 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolabellae.livejournal.com
Just to add that it's occurred to me that you did do this for your Tom Riddle anagram fic, but that was a challenge, so presumably to a certain extent prescribed...

Pissing off Wolfstar

Date: 2006-06-19 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
See how the effective channelling of trauma can be creative! Pre-HBP I could see the arguments for Wolfstar. I didn’t agree with the interpretation, though I continue to think Sirius Black is probably homosexual*, but I could see how a decent argument could be made. But there’s a distinction between admitting a possible argument, even really, really hoping for a canon confirmation, and speculating about fluffy animals and body paint.

“but potentially ruins lives!”
It wasn’t just matchmaker!Lily that made it for me, but that she wrought her own destruction, in what I think is one of the most convincing explanations yet for the Fatal Mistrust. No wonder things were awkward in the flat.

Thanks re. mag. It’s for a Romilda Vane fic for [livejournal.com profile] omniocular - due credit will be given.

*I assume that in the different cultural context of the 1970s WW he can’t actually be gay.

reposted for spelling mistakes

Date: 2006-06-19 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
Yes, I certainly have considered it.

In fact, I've done it - I don't know if you remember"Brief Encounter" - my short thing for omniocular which had to be about Vernon Dursley and Warrington (though in fact it was Mrs Warrington)?

But it's not always easy. Of the three uncompleted fics on my hard drive, one is about Sirius deciding that he needs to try his hand at the real world of work and getting a labourer's job with a Wizarding market gardener (he nearly gets eaten by the arboretum), the other is one in which Blaise Zabini's mother gets him out of the UK before he has to pick sides in the Wizarding world. She finds true lurve with an American Wizarding millionaire who lives on a remote ranch. Eventually Blaise swans back to a post-war Britain, expecting to be feted for his travels, only to find out that everyone's forgotten all about him. He gets snubbed terribly by Stan Shunpike.

(the third is my Hagrid-fic - and that one is going to be finished - I just don't know when I'll get the time).

What I'm winding up to say is that I don't really like either Sirius or Blaise very much. Though I suspect Sirius will grow on me if I ever complete that story.

The moral? I can start fics like that. I just don't know if I can always finish them

Date: 2006-06-19 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
Thanks for the sympathy. The crazy appears *touch wood* to be dying down. The exhaustion, however, continues unabated...

Misdirected energy on the part of the exposee or exposers? An interesting potted history of the HP fandom anyway.

I think it's fair to say that both of them have had a lot of time on their hands - and that the exposer is bound to have an agenda of his/her own somewhere along the line. But given the choice I'd rather be outing malefactors than inventing sock-puppets to make myself look good...

If you wanted to sell the fanfic concept to an uninitiated friend, what fic would you show them? Would it be one of yours? And have you ever done this?

My first thought was, why would I want to do something like that? I keep my RL and HP lives very firmly segregated and I like it that way - the last thing I want to do is to get real acquaintances looking at that part of my life!

My mum wanted to know something about what I write (she knows. And so does Q, who I'm going to marry). I let her have "Furious Wielder of Storms" because it seemed to me to have most stand-alone plot, and it's my favourite - she liked it. My dad got hold of it, and so did he, rather to my surprise.

But I wouldn't necessarily use that story to lure a newbie in... don't know what I'd do really. Any thoughts yourself?

Date: 2006-06-19 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
That's a tricky one. I still can't think of a satisfactory answer - might update if one comes to me in the middle of the night.

I would ask her to drop some stuff from the first about 120 pages of OotP - it seemed to take far too long to get going. Which is deceptive, as there's a lot of stuff in other parts.

And I would have asked her to throttle back on the capslock as well.

There must be more... but that's not the way I read HP - I mine it for information.

I'm sorry. I'll write more if I can think of something!

Re: Pissing off Wolfstar

Date: 2006-06-19 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
I agree you can argue Wolfstar as a possibility - but NEVER as a certainty. And if anyone tries to administer licks I shall either punch them or call the police.

I'd be interested to hear more about why you think Sirius is gay - active or not - at some point. If you have the time.

And don't thank me for using the alumni mag idea. The honour is all mine!

Re: reposted for spelling mistakes

Date: 2006-06-19 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolabellae.livejournal.com
I knew I'd end up forgetting something I'd really really enjoyed - and after you'd reminded us of Goth!Dudley in the 'Ten Things...' meme as well! Sorry...

The Sirius and Blaise fics sound really enjoyable - for the reader, anyway, if not for the writer! Were they ideas that floated into your head unprompted, or was there a challenge involved as well?

And I'm suddenly paranoid that the question might have come across as a criticism, which it wasn't at all - if anything the crit was self-directed, because I do rather worry about my willingness to write about the morally indefensible...

Re: reposted for spelling mistakes

Date: 2006-06-19 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dolorous-ett.livejournal.com
Well, the Sirius fic at least I intend to finish at some point. And even the Blaise fic has potential - the trouble is, I was rambling... Though at the moment I think I'll be lucky to get anywhere near eveb Hagrid, who I really WANT to finish, before I go to China.

It didn't come across as a criticism at all. It was a very good question - and you are right. I would never write Lucius Malfoy, for example, because his is a degree of crapness I just can't empathise with at all.

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